For the record: In a Week of Papal Firsts,
source Rorate Caeli For the record: In a Week of Papal Firsts, "All of us will be up there together, all of us!" Note: before some "apologists of the untenable" claim this must be a translation error,…More
source Rorate Caeli
For the record: In a Week of Papal Firsts,
"All of us will be up there together, all of us!"
Note: before some "apologists of the untenable" claim this must be a translation error, it is not, as you will see - we carefully checked it and retranslated it word by word from the Italian. What does it mean? We will not venture to say. We report it, for the record, you decide:
The Conciliar Constitution Gaudium et Spes, faced with these questions that forever resonate in the hearts of men and women, states: “We do not know the time for the consummation of the earth and of humanity, nor do we know how all things will be transformed. As deformed by sin, the shape of this world will pass away; but we are taught that God is preparing a new dwelling place and a new earth where justice will abide, and whose blessedness will answer and surpass all the longings for peace which spring up in the human heart” (n. 39). This is the Church’s destination: it is, as the Bible says, the “…More
For the record: In a Week of Papal Firsts,
"All of us will be up there together, all of us!"
Note: before some "apologists of the untenable" claim this must be a translation error, it is not, as you will see - we carefully checked it and retranslated it word by word from the Italian. What does it mean? We will not venture to say. We report it, for the record, you decide:
The Conciliar Constitution Gaudium et Spes, faced with these questions that forever resonate in the hearts of men and women, states: “We do not know the time for the consummation of the earth and of humanity, nor do we know how all things will be transformed. As deformed by sin, the shape of this world will pass away; but we are taught that God is preparing a new dwelling place and a new earth where justice will abide, and whose blessedness will answer and surpass all the longings for peace which spring up in the human heart” (n. 39). This is the Church’s destination: it is, as the Bible says, the “…More
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Pope Francis is not the first "Catholic" to embrace pan-salvation. (Can hardly wait to get to the NEW "earth" and dine with Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot and other mass murders who as part of the "tutti" will be winging away in "good times are rolling" Paradise.) I will leave this odd Francis-statement for others to comment. I would like to point out a couple of other implications contained it the Pope's …More
Pope Francis is not the first "Catholic" to embrace pan-salvation. (Can hardly wait to get to the NEW "earth" and dine with Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot and other mass murders who as part of the "tutti" will be winging away in "good times are rolling" Paradise.) I will leave this odd Francis-statement for others to comment. I would like to point out a couple of other implications contained it the Pope's words, relative to which I can understand the Pope's pan-salvationism.
The Pope has totally immantized God qua being actually infinite. Is the "face to face with Him" to be taken literally. Given the Pope literalistic interpretations of about heaven being a "place" in which mankind will be in a permanent "state" of whooping-it-up (my expresion for the pope's "joy"), I am inclined to tale the Pope literally. At that "place" we humans will encounter God "face to face"! If God in his eternal infinity can be at a "place", then I ask if God too will have eyes and ears and a nose and a chin (hopefully without beard). I am not talking here of God incarnated, but of God Himself as infinite. If God Himself can fit into a "place" (localizeable by point coordinates), then, well God can, indeed, in Himself literally have a "face" (I am dying to know what color God's in Himself "skin" will be).
The above paragraph may sound silly. However, the sillyness follows from Pope F's exclusion of the transcendent and, hence, hetero-geneity to all finite realities. The Pope has treated God in homogenous terms, i.e., as a SUPERFACE, but a face with point coordinates of a "place". This type of thinking transforms the visio mystica as a profounder expression for a "face-to-face" into quite finite terms and so heaven is presented as a utopian (= the "new" of the new world) "place". Note that the Pope does not say that the world we are living on now will pass away (e.g., thermic death of the universe), but only its "shape". The Pope does not means by "shape" that the new earth will be square like dice, rather that it will profer "superabunance" (we can all hog down on parties feasting on all those killed animals). All will have suberabunance for a superconsumption (and I add without a electricity bill at the end of the month, not to mention no constipation after hogging down a big "Thanks-Giving" meal with a superabundance of beer) No work, all play! I am not just poking fun at the Pope's primiticity of thinking, rather noting some features that even a heavenly RE-shaped world of justice must face.
My comment is already too long. I reduce my opposition to the Pope's words by noting that I accept an infinite God as implying heterogeneity and the Pope speaks in terms of homogeneity. If heaven is but the re-shaped earth upon which ALL (think of all the billions of humans throughout time) have to fit in and to pass their days in superabundant joy, then it would be a downer if if one human, not to speak of millions, were running around in the heavenly "place" where ALL will be and yet, those not haveing been saved, experiencr it as "hell of a place". Such hellish people would ruin the "having a good time" day for us less-than-all saved, even if we would be singing like a papal Pentecostal. So it should be obvious that Francis-logic must have "tutti" saved for a world not free of sin, but of injustice.
The Pope has totally immantized God qua being actually infinite. Is the "face to face with Him" to be taken literally. Given the Pope literalistic interpretations of about heaven being a "place" in which mankind will be in a permanent "state" of whooping-it-up (my expresion for the pope's "joy"), I am inclined to tale the Pope literally. At that "place" we humans will encounter God "face to face"! If God in his eternal infinity can be at a "place", then I ask if God too will have eyes and ears and a nose and a chin (hopefully without beard). I am not talking here of God incarnated, but of God Himself as infinite. If God Himself can fit into a "place" (localizeable by point coordinates), then, well God can, indeed, in Himself literally have a "face" (I am dying to know what color God's in Himself "skin" will be).
The above paragraph may sound silly. However, the sillyness follows from Pope F's exclusion of the transcendent and, hence, hetero-geneity to all finite realities. The Pope has treated God in homogenous terms, i.e., as a SUPERFACE, but a face with point coordinates of a "place". This type of thinking transforms the visio mystica as a profounder expression for a "face-to-face" into quite finite terms and so heaven is presented as a utopian (= the "new" of the new world) "place". Note that the Pope does not say that the world we are living on now will pass away (e.g., thermic death of the universe), but only its "shape". The Pope does not means by "shape" that the new earth will be square like dice, rather that it will profer "superabunance" (we can all hog down on parties feasting on all those killed animals). All will have suberabunance for a superconsumption (and I add without a electricity bill at the end of the month, not to mention no constipation after hogging down a big "Thanks-Giving" meal with a superabundance of beer) No work, all play! I am not just poking fun at the Pope's primiticity of thinking, rather noting some features that even a heavenly RE-shaped world of justice must face.
My comment is already too long. I reduce my opposition to the Pope's words by noting that I accept an infinite God as implying heterogeneity and the Pope speaks in terms of homogeneity. If heaven is but the re-shaped earth upon which ALL (think of all the billions of humans throughout time) have to fit in and to pass their days in superabundant joy, then it would be a downer if if one human, not to speak of millions, were running around in the heavenly "place" where ALL will be and yet, those not haveing been saved, experiencr it as "hell of a place". Such hellish people would ruin the "having a good time" day for us less-than-all saved, even if we would be singing like a papal Pentecostal. So it should be obvious that Francis-logic must have "tutti" saved for a world not free of sin, but of injustice.
Tutti noi ci troveremo lassù, tutti.... All of us will be up there all of us!
Incredible, so we need to ask the most Holy pope ever to walk the earth, if ALL are going to heaven, then, why be catholic... is it worth it? I guess Atheists are dancing in the streets right now.
Heresy after heresy and not a single word from any priests, Bishops, Archbishops... "Oh this is not heresy, this is something …More
Tutti noi ci troveremo lassù, tutti.... All of us will be up there all of us!
Incredible, so we need to ask the most Holy pope ever to walk the earth, if ALL are going to heaven, then, why be catholic... is it worth it? I guess Atheists are dancing in the streets right now.
Heresy after heresy and not a single word from any priests, Bishops, Archbishops... "Oh this is not heresy, this is something that our Holy father believes, it's not a matter of morals"
Weak Catholics who don't know their faith, which is almost 95% of the Church hears this and believe this lie from hell... Homily after Homily thousands hears those beautiful words and believe it, sad very sad.
Like someone was telling my wife yesterday "Oh what he wants is to include everybody, he doesn't want to leave any one behind" Only 4 people came out of Sodom and only 3 survived, the Lord left behind ALL who didn't want to amend their lives...
They know what they are doing, the fresh air of Santa Marta with room service, talks nonsense everyday in front of millions to confuse more and more... BUT who is confuse? Those who don't know the faith or those who do know the faith and accept this false doctrine? Everybody!!!
Those who shine by their silence are those who St Francis of Assisi said...
"Some preachers will keep SILENCE about the truth, and others will trample it under foot and DENY IT..."
Denying our Lord by denying the truth... accepting something that it is NOT in the Gospel, because obedience is first and truth second, so, who is confuse... those who put the obedience where it shouldn't be, WE NEED TO OBEY GOD RATHER THAN MEN.
STAND FIRM TO TRADITION TAUGHT BY THE APOSTLES, BEING FAITHFUL TO TRADITION IS LOVING THE LORD... ALL TO HEAVEN? THAT LIBERAL IDEA CAME FROM HELL.
Incredible, so we need to ask the most Holy pope ever to walk the earth, if ALL are going to heaven, then, why be catholic... is it worth it? I guess Atheists are dancing in the streets right now.
Heresy after heresy and not a single word from any priests, Bishops, Archbishops... "Oh this is not heresy, this is something that our Holy father believes, it's not a matter of morals"
Weak Catholics who don't know their faith, which is almost 95% of the Church hears this and believe this lie from hell... Homily after Homily thousands hears those beautiful words and believe it, sad very sad.
Like someone was telling my wife yesterday "Oh what he wants is to include everybody, he doesn't want to leave any one behind" Only 4 people came out of Sodom and only 3 survived, the Lord left behind ALL who didn't want to amend their lives...
They know what they are doing, the fresh air of Santa Marta with room service, talks nonsense everyday in front of millions to confuse more and more... BUT who is confuse? Those who don't know the faith or those who do know the faith and accept this false doctrine? Everybody!!!
Those who shine by their silence are those who St Francis of Assisi said...
"Some preachers will keep SILENCE about the truth, and others will trample it under foot and DENY IT..."
Denying our Lord by denying the truth... accepting something that it is NOT in the Gospel, because obedience is first and truth second, so, who is confuse... those who put the obedience where it shouldn't be, WE NEED TO OBEY GOD RATHER THAN MEN.
STAND FIRM TO TRADITION TAUGHT BY THE APOSTLES, BEING FAITHFUL TO TRADITION IS LOVING THE LORD... ALL TO HEAVEN? THAT LIBERAL IDEA CAME FROM HELL.